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The Formation of the Echain Government

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251 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:58 am

KarbinCry wrote:
WhiskeyWhiskers wrote:What is the Platform's view on the earlier proposed concept of town council's?

So far, we do not propose concrete measures, rather general guidelines they ought to follow. The reason for this is that without a constitution, this discussion is rendered moot; however, once I have some time from other duties, I shall review town council proposal.

When you do, feel free to contact me with any additional questions or criticism.

This offer is of course open to all others as well.

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252 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:51 pm

a simple question to the chair how my capital do we have are there any loan and the like

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253 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:07 pm

greywolf wrote:a simple question to the chair how my capital do we have are there any loan and the like  
The country has no functioning economy at the moment in the realistic sense of the word, though technically the infrastructure of economy does exist. For the past 8 years a pure barter system has existed between fellow Echaini, with only collaborators and Japanese dealing in Yen. As such the country has no currency of its own. It also has no outstanding loans or otherwise debts, internal or external.


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254 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:09 pm

Dear fellow members of our senate. I do not know to which level you are already familiar with the happenings within the Constitutional Committee.

But am I the only one in this chamber full of gentleman, of members of the old guard, who is willing the state what becomes more and more obvious the longer this farce goes on?
There are Marxists to our south in Plaindale, there are communists in the east in Lurem, I have at least heard ungraded admiration for the USSR on Stalin from one of the communist representatives to our very hall!

They are tolerated and accepted for their part in the liberation of our nation, and to some degrees I agree. I agreed to meet with all representatives of all groups, irrelevant to my personal feelings regarding their reasons and ideology. I agreed to let them have their part.

Yet here we stand. For what reason do the communist and leftist get there say while we do not?
Have we royalist, traditionalists, aristocrats not shed our fare share of blood, be it our own or the blood of our enemies, to defend and liberate this nation? Have not we lead the charge in countless battles? Have not we supported the resistance with every step? Have not we built and defended this nation for centuries?

Yet the communists and leftist get there say and for us not even breadcrumbs are left?!
They gain rights for their fight yet we, we who fought just as much, just as hard, we who lost just as much as they did, are denied rights we held for generations?! I cannot be the only member of this hall think this way!
Can I?

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255 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:11 pm

Please, honourable gentlemen, stop this needless infighting, until we at least craft and vote on a constitution!

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256 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:15 pm

Lorinbas wrote:Dear fellow members of our senate. I do not know to which level you are already familiar with the happenings within the Constitutional Committee.

But am I the only one in this chamber full of gentleman, of members of the old guard, who is willing the state what becomes more and more obvious the longer this farce goes on?
There are Marxists to our south in Plaindale, there are communists in the east in Lurem, I have at least heard ungraded admiration for the USSR on Stalin from one of the communist representatives to our very hall!

They are tolerated and accepted for their part in the liberation of our nation, and to some degrees I agree. I agreed to meet with all representatives of all groups, irrelevant to my personal feelings regarding their reasons and ideology. I agreed to let them have their part.

Yet here we stand. For what reason do the communist and leftist get there say while we do not?
Have we royalist, traditionalists, aristocrats not shed our fare share of blood, be it our own or the blood of our enemies, to defend and liberate this nation? Have not we lead the charge in countless battles? Have not we supported the resistance with every step? Have not we built and defended this nation for centuries?

Yet the communists and leftist get there say and for us not even breadcrumbs are left?!
They gain rights for their fight yet we, we who fought just as much, just as hard, we who lost just as much as they did, are denied rights we held for generations?! I cannot be the only member of this hall think this way!
Can I?
You are free to speak your mind sir, *rolls eyes* no one is stopping you.

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257 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:05 pm

You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need. -Pure Socialism

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258 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:18 am

We publicly condemn to formation of the Southportian People's Militia. It is yet another leftist paramilitary force rising in our nation. If this goes on we will have armed militias all over our nation. Is this really the state we wish for our country? Armed mobs enforcing what they see fit?
We appeal to the Southport representative MegaZeroX to stop this before blood will flow again through the streets of our cities.

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259 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:55 am

Lorinbas wrote:We publicly condemn to formation of the Southportian People's Militia. It is yet another leftist paramilitary force rising in our nation. If this goes on we will have armed militias all over our nation. Is this really the state we wish for our country? Armed mobs enforcing what they see fit?
We appeal to the Southport representative MegaZeroX to stop this before blood will flow again through the streets of our cities.

I vehemently disagree with the notion that this Militia is some leftist paramilitary. It is a purpose-based organization with clear and justifiable goals - something EIA, in its current form, isn't.

Zeiss and EIA started this quarrel by usurping powers which are not theirs to take, by overstepping the bounds of Provisional Government, and by doing all that unillateraly, by the will and vote of a single man - Zeiss himself.

Since a fair compromises - not one, but two! - are on the table, such which let EIA operate in limited fashion and under oversight of the Provisional Government, any further escalation of the conflict is on Zeiss's conscience.



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260 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:32 pm

I do be remindin' you that, in addition to what KarbinCry stated, my organization also 'as clear conditions for disbandment, unlike Zeiss'. Me organization do be actin' only defensively, to protect Echain and its inhabitants, while the EIA stated in its purpose that it will take aggression against the Japanese.

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261 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:37 pm

I believe we should not commit to anything until Zeiss has responded to my proposal. We can give him a deadline if necessary but I have already approached him. (OOC: I believe he is currently afk) If I need to restate the proposal, here it is.

The EIA will transition into the PG and, in turn, our completed government. This allows us to monitor the EIA, but also grants them jurisdiction to continue their work and continue with the support of the PG. This should abolish any critique you all had against the EIA as well as end this meaningless conflict.

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262 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:43 pm

grifenknight wrote:I believe we should not commit to anything until Zeiss has responded to my proposal.  We can give him a deadline if necessary but I have already approached him. (OOC: I believe he is currently afk)  If I need to restate the proposal, here it is.

The EIA will transition into the PG and, in turn, our completed government. This allows us to monitor the EIA, but also grants them jurisdiction to continue their work and continue with the support of the PG. This should abolish any critique you all had against the EIA as well as end this meaningless conflict.

So far it do no' seem the PG supports 'im, given the ongoin' vote. We do no' 'ave proper legislation to control it still. And this may mean that 'e is still interrogatin' and detainin' people, which was part o' our demands.

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263 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:54 pm

The vote is based off of the current, independent organization, meanwhile I propose an organization that works with the PG. I propose having the CDC act as a legislate body above the organization to keep it in check until our government is established. We would able to restrict any actions done by the organization which pertains to your fear of interrogations and detainment of individuals. I fear that even with the government, the organization could possibly do these acts without our permission, but there is nothing we can do to stop that.

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264 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:58 pm

grifenknight wrote:The vote is based off of the current, independent organization, meanwhile I propose an organization that works with the PG.  I propose having the CDC act as a legislate body above the organization to keep it in check until our government is established.  We would able to restrict any actions done by the organization which pertains to your fear of interrogations and detainment of individuals.  I fear that even with the government, the organization could possibly do these acts without our permission, but there is nothing we can do to stop that.

While that do be better, and I do be trustin' and supportin' the CDC, it still leaves the control o' the largest paramil'tary force in the control o' a few people without a national const'ution (other than their own which do no' be voted on yet).

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265 Re: The Formation of the Echain Government on Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:09 pm

MegaZeroX wrote:
grifenknight wrote:The vote is based off of the current, independent organization, meanwhile I propose an organization that works with the PG.  I propose having the CDC act as a legislate body above the organization to keep it in check until our government is established.  We would able to restrict any actions done by the organization which pertains to your fear of interrogations and detainment of individuals.  I fear that even with the government, the organization could possibly do these acts without our permission, but there is nothing we can do to stop that.

While that do be better, and I do be trustin' and supportin' the CDC, it still leaves the control o' the largest paramil'tary force in the control o' a few people without a national const'ution (other than their own which do no' be voted on yet).

I see this as the only real possible proposal unless we disband the organization, which I highly do not recommend because it could serve a foundation for our inteligence agency in the new government.

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