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Current State Of The Constitution

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1 Current State Of The Constitution on Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:42 pm

Here are the amendments to the Constitution so far.

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2 Re: Current State Of The Constitution on Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:29 pm

Current agreed notions, wording is subject to change.

Bill of Rights:

1. Free speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of religion
2. Protection of a person from being compelled to be a witness against himself in a criminal case (as in the 5th amendment to the US constitution)
3. No man can own another (no slavery)
4. Right on ownership of property
5. Right for equal representation in government, regardless of gender, race or religion
6. Habeas corpus
8. The government, barring incarceration, cannot prohibit movement within or without the country.
9. Eminent domain does exist, but each case has to be decided by trial by jury.

Commentary:
Freedom of speech contains freedom of press
Freedom of property protects against targeting specific groups; it does not protect against universal direct taxes and punishments based on the criminal code

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3 Re: Current State Of The Constitution on Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:48 pm

Death Penalty
Passed 10. All people shall enjoy protection from unjust and unethical practice of Capital punishment - 4 vote for against 0

System of governance
Passed Republic by 4 votes to 0

Judiciary
Passed Exoneration only capable jury system: 3 to 1
Passed Establishment of a Constitutional Court: 3 votes against 0
Passed Limitations of jury system to non-criminal with exception of treason, sedition, rebellion: 3 votes against 0

Constitutional structure
Passed The creation of a supplementary Elaboration on Constitution with the same power as the Constitution, consisting of our detailed explanations of how Constitutional provisions work, as well as any future precedents set forth by the Constitutional court: 3 votes against 0

Passed The 'Bill of Rights' will be henceforth known as the 'Bill of Inalienable Rights' and have the power of inalienability: 3 votes against 0, 1 abstained



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4 Re: Current State Of The Constitution on Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:44 am

KarbinCry wrote:Current agreed notions, wording is subject to change.

Bill of Rights:


4. Right on ownership of property

I find this point deeply uncomfortable. What constitutes "property"? And what is the purpose of this government if they do not even have control over their own land, their own resources, their own services? Will the government find themselves beholden to the will of a select cabal who are already well placed, sitting upon their profits from the days of occupation, ready to excersie this "ownership" to own as much of this country that we all fought for. Will the common man find himself exploited by tyrant under a different name by virtue of the other mans deep pockets? What guarantees are in place that living amenities will be fairly distributed to all, regardless of age, gender, employment status or social standing?

This will not do at all, and I would have to resist such an ill-thought out proposal.

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5 Re: Current State Of The Constitution on Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:36 am

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6 Re: Current State Of The Constitution on Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:51 am

First of all, this is not a forum; this is a bulletin board to present our (CDC) choices for our draft of the Constitution to the Provisionary Government, so I would kindly ask all who gaze upon it to write their commentaries either privately to the core members of the Committee, or in the general forum of the Provisionary Government.

Secondly, I would like to reiterate that people are protected from misuse of Eminent domain by jury trial necessary in order to pass such measure in every single individual case.

And last, to address TomRP's concerns, which I did privately without his response: the Constitution is there to protect against Lawful Tyranny. Right to property means, and is thus explained in our suggested and legally binding supplementary document Elaborations on the Constitution, the protection of property against targeted persecution; it does not protect against universal taxation and compensations demanded by criminal or civil code, should a person be convicted.

This means, if a Law states that, for example, property obtained through direct collaboration with the Occupants is obtained illegally, such property may be stripped justly by the court.

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7 Re: Current State Of The Constitution on Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:46 pm

Death Penalty
Passed Death penalty ban by 4 votes to 0
Passed Is it to be in the bill of rights? - 4 vote for against 0

System of governance
Passed Republic by 4 votes to 0

Judiciary - jury trial extent
Rejected In severe cases (life punishment) by 1 vote against 2
Passed Are we to form Constituonal Court?: 3 votes against 0
Limitations of jury system to non-criminal with exception of treason, sedition, rebellion: 3 or 4 votes against 0

Healthcare
Rejected Should the Constitution tackle this issue? by 1 vote against 2

Constitutional structure
Passed Are we in favour of a supplementary Elaboration on Constitution with the same power as the Constitution, consisting of our detailed explanations of hoe Constitutional provisions work, as well as any future precedents set forth by the Constitutional court?: 3 votes against 0
Passed Can we rename BoR to Bill of Inalienable Rights, and make them legally unchangheable?: 3 votes against 0, 1 abstained
Passed The Bill of Inalienable Rights is superior to Bill of Supplementary Rights, which contains rights added later, and is subject to change per usual constitution change mechanism: by 4 votes to 0
Rejected Special rights for aristocrats: 0 against 3

Education
Passed Constitutional Free University: 3 against 0
Passed Constitutional Free University will be in Aberisk: 3 for, 0 against

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