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276 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:57 am

00c: look back

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277 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:59 am

oc no we will have separt post for lore sake

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278 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:00 am

ooc: Seems one sided, defense can post without comment.

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279 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:01 am

I would also like to add that the trial will happen only if bradley3000 is actually properly charged.

And Article Nine can be argued to be in effect only if the military is supposed to deal with insurgents and even then it is arguable what is the extent of Article Nine.

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280 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:07 am

(MoD) Bradley3000 wrote:That is it I have had enough of this.

I will be carrying on the original plan and if the courts find me guilty so be it.

Mr President and Director Infernal disavow my actions and I will accept full responsibility.

When this is done I will hand myself over to the court for judgment.

I will not let Echain fall no matter the cost on myself.

If he is formally charged I offer this as evidence that he acted to subvert the court's justice, and that the charges should be extended to the President and Director Infernal.

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281 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:09 am

oc can try not to make this too complicated for me and lore to handle

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282 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:19 am

OOC: Okay I'll try, Bradley3000 wanted to make sure the court wouldn't charge the President and the Director for the crime he was pretty sure they were all committing. He asked them to falsely denounce his actions. They should also be charged. Still only needs one trial.

If you need help with the specifics I'd be happy to answer any PMs.

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283 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:49 am

I am willing to be persecuted because while I have a defense ans justificstion for my actions, I am sure Whiskey has none for literally releasing classified information, even if it was false.

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284 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:03 am

Trust me, Presiden Grifenknight, there is argument to be made on both sides. You should be thanking Governor Whiskers, as without his involvement, it is quite possible Mr. Gollvieg wouldn't look into matters further and discovered the Governments, frankly embarrassing, failure.

It seems the Government is filled with incompetent people. First the budget fiasco, now complete and utter failiure of domestic intelligence... and yet no change, no reppercussions - bussiness as usual.
The Government will, once more, blame those who actually helped and did everything right (in contrast to the Government).
It happened with the budget, where Minister of Finances and Transportation wasn't even verbally reprimanded for the debacle, yet the Bank was attacked for simply upholding the Constitution.
It is happening now, as the Government blames all ills on Governor Whiskers, man who quite possibly saved us from a civil war, yet Director Infernal, who provided blatantly false information to the Government and showed he is every bit as incompetent as the Minister of Justice and Transportation, is not even being asked about how this spectacular failure could have happened and how will he make sure it never happens again.

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285 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:29 am

OOC: Don't blast me Sad
I'm just a political figurehead Very Happy

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286 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:34 am

OOC: not really. You have responsibility for your Cabinet and the Executive itself Wink

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287 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:59 am

OOC: I have no control over what Ministries can do, I can only reccomend actions. I, also, had to choose my Ministers off if the fact that some of them were either the only ones that asked for the role or that some of them didn't have any role in the game, so I decided to give them a job.
Meanwhile, the executive has no real power other than the power to veto, which i can't use due to the fact that the senate appears to have disappeared and is not voting on anything. Sadly, all the active players chose the role of governor instead of senators.

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288 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:00 am

Oh god, why did that send twice?

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289 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:04 am

OOC: you can actually recall a minister and propose a replacement.

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290 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:28 am

OOC: Don't I need to pass the senate first?

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291 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:37 am

OOC: Well, it's a bit muddy, but I think you can recall a minister and then come to the Senate with a replacement candidate.

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292 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:39 am

OOC: That still wouldn't work since the senate is currently asleep...

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293 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:57 am

OOC: The point is, there would be no minister in the interrim, and the one assuming his authority would be you.
This means you do have a stick to use Smile

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294 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:00 pm

OOC: Yah, but 3 of my 4 ministers don't have any other role besides being minister, so I was thinking along the lines of rule 0...

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295 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:02 pm

OOC: This is why in the Socialist Constitution I proposed that Ministers are still Senators, so it actually gives law makers things to do - rather than just say yay or nay or wait for a bill to be proposed. Similar to the real life Westminster system.

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296 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:04 pm

OOC: Actually, Minister of justice and Minister of Finances can be senators. Problem is Defense has the entire army, so it's too much power and gameplay concentration, and the same goes for Foreign Affairs as he has foreign intelligence.
But Finances and Justice can be senators, and I wouldn't object to a OOC change that the President could also be a senator.

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297 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:07 pm

OOC: So a move towards a two tier system, where the President and Ministers are still members of the "upper house"/Senate so-to-speak, alongside their cabinet duties? I could get behind that.

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298 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:09 pm

Governor TomRP wrote:OOC: So a move towards a two tier system, where the President and Ministers are still members of the "upper house"/Senate so-to-speak, alongside their cabinet duties? I could get behind that.


I agree

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299 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:15 pm

OOC: No, just change for the President. Ministers of Defense and Foreign Affairs shouldn't be senators as well.

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300 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:16 pm

OOC: We have already established that I have no gameplay as the president and I am fine with my current position. The ministers roles and restrictions have already been defined and they make sensex so I see no reason to change anything major.

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