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51 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:33 pm

HERE IN LIES ALL ACTIONS OF THIS MINISTRY. FEEL FREE TO COMMENT.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yCUil0ry2RjD9xOkblm0AS48RzOFZVUJUhqQsbskAHQ/edit?usp=sharing

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52 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:59 pm

Is 'The Guard' a separate organisation to 'The Royal Guard'?

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53 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:04 pm

Governor WhiskeyWhiskers wrote:Is 'The Guard' a separate organisation to 'The Royal Guard'?


The Guard is one of the branches of the armed forces and the The Royal Guard are former members of the actual Royal Guard.

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54 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:11 pm

Then I would suggest a renaming to the Republican Guard to avoid confusion, but it is entirely within your hands.

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55 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:13 pm

I wonder why some region's militias were not invited to take part in the construction of the military.

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56 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:14 pm

Director Karbin Cry (NB) wrote:I wonder why some region's militias were not invited to take part in the construction of the military.


Because these militias have transitioned into police forces and as such having them become part of the military is un-constitutional.

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57 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:25 pm

An issue you were only too happy to overlook for central.

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58 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:26 pm

Governor WhiskeyWhiskers wrote:An issue you were only too happy to overlook for central.


That issue has been resolved Governor. These men will TRAIN and not join the Guard.

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59 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:29 pm

And the question I believe the Director was asking was why other region's militias are not being approached with a similar arrangement. Though I will acknowledge you have already agreed to the EPANL and LPV-A.

Also clearly a pointed remark that I will happily repeat, you are using this army as an ideological tool. The only militia (and political party!) you originally approached have major ties to the old regime.

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60 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:56 pm

I believe that these men should only be trained by the royal guard. As we already know, having parties train them could cause tensions. Meanwhile, the royal guard would be able to train these men in unarmed combat and put them through intensive training while we have no equipment. These men, also, dont follow any factions. Something the other factions are unable to provide...

Also, the military has no political standpoints and, therefore, are only looking for the best candidates to train our men, which would be the Royal Guard.

Bradley, let this socialist complain and continue to only allow the qualified men(the royal guard) to train the men. There is no need to have the help of the numerous political parties that only want to spread their influence among our ranks.

In response to Director Karbin, this is a national matter and not a regional one. The regions are having enough difficulty as it is establishing their own militia(police) so it would be best to leave them out of this.

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61 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:03 am

President Grifenknight wrote:I believe that these men should only be trained by the royal guard.  As we already know, having parties train them could cause tensions.  Meanwhile, the royal guard would be able to train these men in unarmed combat and put them through intensive training while we have no equipment.  These men, also, dont follow any factions. Something the other factions are unable to provide...

Also, the military has no political standpoints and, therefore, are only looking for the best candidates to train our men, which would be the Royal Guard.

Bradley, let this socialist complain and continue to only allow the qualified men(the royal guard) to train the men.  There is no need to have the help of the numerous political parties that only want to spread their influence among our ranks.

In response to Director Karbin, this is a national matter and not a regional one.  The regions are having enough difficulty as it is establishing their own militia(police) so it would be best to leave them out of this.


Sir I do believe this will only inflame tensions which we can scarse afford at this time.

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62 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:36 am

(MoD) Bradley3000 wrote:Sir I do believe this will only inflame tensions which we can scarse afford at this time.

See Mr President? He cannot bring himself to do that. Because it is he, not I, that wish to use this army for political purposes. The Royal Guard are just as political as the EPALN or the LPV-A. The Echain Autonomous Movement far moreso!

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63 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:38 am

Governor WhiskeyWhiskers wrote:
(MoD) Bradley3000 wrote:Sir I do believe this will only inflame tensions which we can scarse afford at this time.

See Mr President? He cannot bring himself to do that. Because it is he, not I, that wish to use this army for political purposes. The Royal Guard are just as political as the EPALN or the LPV-A. The Echain Autonomous Movement far moreso!


A Governor accusing another of being political I believe that is called "ironic"

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64 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:42 am

If we HAVE to train our army by regional militias, it is only fair that it is by each of them, otherwise we'd be picking based on a partisan key.
However, I'm far more inclined to hire foreign experts. After all, no man on Echain can truly train a proper army, not to mention elite marines and sailors.

Oh, and by the way, it isn't unconstitutional for a policeman to become a soldier. Police and military can cooperate, as long as they each perform their duties and responsibilities as stated in the Constitution.

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65 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:43 am

Director Karbin Cry (NB) wrote:If we HAVE to train our army by regional militias, it is only fair that it is by each of them, otherwise we'd be picking based on a partisan key.
However, I'm far more inclined to hire foreign experts. After all, no man on Echain can truly train a proper army, not to mention elite marines and sailors.


That is out of my hands and is for the President and the MoFA to decide.

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66 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:45 am

(MoD) Bradley3000 wrote:A Governor accusing another of being political I believe that is called "ironic"

I was elected to be political, you were appointed so as to not be political. A confession of your guilt for all to see.

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67 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:46 am

Governor WhiskeyWhiskers wrote:
(MoD) Bradley3000 wrote:A Governor accusing another of being political I believe that is called "ironic"

I was elected to be political, you were appointed so as to not be political. A confession of your guilt for all to see.


Back up your accusation with evidence and then maybe I would take you seriously. I hate politicians who do nothing but accuse their supposed "enemies" of something with nothing to back it up. Governor

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68 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:47 am

Well, if foreign experts are for some reason unable, then why even use regional militias at all? These militias also trained autonomously, so it makes little difference if the military will be trained by these militias, or from the ground up by itself.

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69 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:48 am

Director Karbin Cry (NB) wrote:Well, if foreign experts are for some reason unable, then why even use regional militias at all? These militias also trained autonomously, so it makes little difference if the military will be trained by these militias, or from the ground up by itself.

Because these militias have at least some experience with some having been in the resistance.

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70 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:51 am

(MoD) Bradley3000 wrote:Back up your accusation with evidence and then maybe I would take you seriously. I hate politicians who do nothing but accuse their supposed "enemies" of something with nothing to back it up. Governor
The evidence is your own statement. A tacit admission you were acting politically.

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71 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:51 am

And the army cannot recruit ex-resistance members in any other way than from the militias?

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72 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:52 am

Director Karbin Cry (NB) wrote:And the army cannot recruit ex-resistance members in any other way than from the militias?


This is for training not actually joining the military.

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73 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:53 am

Governor WhiskeyWhiskers wrote:
(MoD) Bradley3000 wrote:Back up your accusation with evidence and then maybe I would take you seriously. I hate politicians who do nothing but accuse their supposed "enemies" of something with nothing to back it up. Governor
The evidence is your own statement. A tacit admission you were acting politically.


Being practical is not political. I am sorry I forgot politicians have no notion of "practicality"

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74 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:59 am

In what way is using the EAM, a political party, to train this country's armed forces a matter of practicality? They are not even a militia! They have no experience as a unit in warfare, being created after this country's liberation. They do not even have experience as a police force. Practicality! How very dare you.

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75 Re: Old Ministry of Defense on Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:01 am

Governor WhiskeyWhiskers wrote:In what way is using the EAM, a political party, to train this country's armed forces a matter of practicality? They are not even a militia! They have no experience as a unit in warfare, being created after this country's liberation.


THEY WERE TRAINED BY BRITISH COMMANDOS!

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