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A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae!

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1 A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:16 pm

The Achaean Coalition forms their army under King Leonidas and marches to Thermopylae.  However, instead of the vast army of Persians, they are assailed by the White Host of Saruman (as seen at the Battle of Helm's Deep).  Assume that the Uruk-Hai forces suffered no casualties from the march across Skythian territory to reach the Hot Gates, so they still have the use of their wargs riders.

Scenario 1: The RL forces assembled at Themopylae with fleet (under the command of Themysticles).

Scenario 2: The forces depicted in '300'.

Can the Greeks win the battle? If they can't, can they hold the Uruks off for four days (like the historical battle)?

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2 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:52 pm

Man I'm sorry but the greeks would be crushed in that scenario. Not so sure about the 300 fantasy group, but the actual troop? No chance.


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3 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:58 am

Are we giving the Greeks access to their gods and their semi-divine hero bloodlines like in the old stories? Because if not, I'm with Arch on this one. They'd get curb stomped by the Uruks in no time.

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4 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:28 am

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5 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:39 am

Or they might join in...


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6 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:50 am

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7 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:14 am

No but it does include the goblins.


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8 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:44 am

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9 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:58 am

I've always wondered if the Roman Legion could take on Saruman's Uruk-Hai. The most disciplined and impressive military organization of the ancient world versus the unbridled hate of the Uruk-Hai.

Scenario, do you think the Roman Empire could lead a sucessful campaign against the forces of Mordor depicted in the War of the Ring?

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10 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:27 pm

What era of the the Roman army are you talking?  Marius' Mules, Scipio Africanus, late era barbarian horde?  Or the Justinian era military under the command of Bellasarius?

An important detail that does change the answer.

Kolson Wezrae wrote:Are we giving the Greeks access to their gods and their semi-divine hero bloodlines like in the old stories? Because if not, I'm with Arch on this one. They'd get curb stomped by the Uruks in no time.
No, they're just regular Greeks. The '300' guys do get to keep their superhuman abilities though.



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11 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:32 pm

After the Marian reforms, I was actually gonna mention it but forgot.

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12 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:11 pm

Marius' Mules are going to have a tough go against the Uruks. Similar formations and similar tactics, but swords vs. pikes is not going to end well for the guys holding the smaller sticks.

Strategically, it is no contest. Isengard cannot produce soldiers and equipment fast enough to compete with the Roman Empire in their heyday. The Romans might lose a few dozen legions, but eventually they'll learn they don't need to go for a decisive battle, and win the Uruk-Hai through logistical supremacy.

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13 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:18 pm

I feel the same. Overall I think that the Romans were masters of battlefield tactics and their troops were better trained than most armies in history and in fantasy for that matter. Even though the Uruks use similar tactics the romans use (Testudo formation and all that) a clever general could out manuever the enemy.

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14 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:22 am

LibertyPrime wrote: Scenario, do you think the Roman Empire could lead a sucessful campaign against the forces of Mordor depicted in the War of the Ring?

The Roman's wouldn't be able to handle the Nazgul and their Black Breath, let alone the trolls, wargs, and nameless beasts.



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15 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:23 am

IMO, the Parthian Empire and its successor, the Sasanian Empire, had a much, much better army. (even proven it in numerous wars against the Romans, who kept trying to invade it)

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16 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:56 am

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17 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:57 am

Maz wrote:
LibertyPrime wrote: Scenario, do you think the Roman Empire could lead a sucessful campaign against the forces of Mordor depicted in the War of the Ring?

The Roman's wouldn't be able to handle the Nazgul and their Black Breath, let alone the trolls, wargs, and nameless beasts.




Yet the Rohirrim and Gondor soldiers could give them a run for their money. Trolls would be the equivalent of Carthaginian war elephants. The Rohirrim could go toe to toe with the wargs I'm pretty sure Roman calvary could probably do the same. As for the Nazgul, may the unyielding bolt of Jupiter find it's mark.

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18 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:05 am

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19 Re: A Challenger Approaches Thermoplyae! on Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:45 am

Wethewax wrote:
LibertyPrime wrote:Yet the Rohirrim and Gondor soldiers could give them a run for their money. Trolls would be the equivalent of Carthaginian war elephants. The Rohirrim could go toe to toe with the wargs I'm pretty sure Roman calvary could probably do the same. As for the Nazgul, may the unyielding bolt of Jupiter find it's mark.
The Romans dealt with Carthaginian elephant cavalry by LITERALLY driving a herd of BURNING pigs at them, which made them panic.

Driving a herd of burning pigs at the Host of Mordor is literally FEEDING THE TROLLS!!

And no offence to any Rohirrim fans, but the two scenes of cavalry leaping into a wall of spears from PJ's LotR are just bunk. Cavalry looses to spear-walls, this is an indisputable historical fact.

Btw, Roman cavalry got better in the later western empire, and then more so in the east because they adopted Persian armour and tactics, but for the most part Roman cavalry was only average at best.

Like I've said before, the Romans are only impressive if you ignore all the times they failed.

B-but veni vidi vici!

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